"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men – not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular." - Edward R. Murrow (picture unrelated)
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07 Jun 2019 11:26PM
Not everyone is. Cowardice tends to preserve lives. The strong men, the ones who fought for something greater than themselves tended to die on some distant battlefield.
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07 Jun 2019 11:32PM
I'd rather die on My feet than live on My knees. you're free to make the choice for yourself.
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07 Jun 2019 11:39PM
I doubt Satan is a coward. More to the point, there is no heaven and there is no hell. I would rather die fighting than live in fear. If you'd rather spend your life in blind obedience, you're free to submit whenever you please. But I'll be damned if I watch My country destroy itself trying to appease a group of ignorant thugs.
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07 Jun 2019 11:43PM
I don't claim one party or the other. Both sides tend to have ignorant thugs swelling their ranks. Ultimately all countries collapse and from that something new will emerge. My family has spilt blood for this land and on this land in some facet for hundreds of years. But democracies die.
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07 Jun 2019 11:59PM
Athens and Rome as far as prominent examples. Rome's collapse from a republic is perhaps most similar to our current situation.
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08 Jun 2019 12:01AM
I'll cut you a good deal on a fiddle and some matches.
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08 Jun 2019 12:02AM
Sorry to hear, didn't realize Athens and Rome had died
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09 Jun 2019 5:01PM
The Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth is another example of a actual democracy in the 1600 to 1700 centuries. With an electorate of about 8-10%, unheard of until the 1900's. It even had some parallels to Rome and protected Europe against the muslim invasion and even defeated the Teutonic Order. It was divided up in three separate partitions events by it's imperialist neighbors after it grew weaker politically due to deadlocks in government reforms and mistrust towards giving any power to a centralized, elected monarch. regions became more self centered. Cathrine the great apparently said that if she doesn't take parts of Poland than another empire will, so she had to participate. So, at the time, one of Europe's most powerful nation fell. https://www.britannica.com/place/Poland/The-Commonwealth
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07 Jun 2019 11:53PM
We're not a democracy. We're a republic. If we were a democracy, the person who got more votes would be p********. It's not even an opinion, it's just a fact. We're a republic. And republics don't die so much as burn themselves down and take civilization with them. Like Rome did. you know, Rome? The last republic?
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08 Jun 2019 12:03AM
Tons of them. And they died quiet deaths and were politely replaced with other less flawed democracies. Happens all the time. It's happening in the UK for the 10000th time this week. The prime minster resigns, they have snap elections, a new minister is elected and a new government is formed.
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08 Jun 2019 12:05AM
The roman republic died when Cesar was deemed dictator for life. Rome did not burn until much later.
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08 Jun 2019 12:10AM
Rome burned a lot. Besides, there's not many good "veni vidi vici" jokes. And there's not many "sic semper tryanus" ones, either. I work with what I got. :)
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08 Jun 2019 12:20AM
Back to the original point about appeasing the thugs. It is to engrained in DC. What is the old saying about when people discover they can just vote for the man that promises the most? That is what DC is full of, a bunch of people that made stupid promises. The only way things will be resolved is either the states stand together against the federal government or the military comes in and shuts the whole thing down for a few hundred years.
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08 Jun 2019 12:28AM
So our choices are civil war or a military dictatorship? Seems a bit of a false dichotomy to Me. Why not impose term limits, strengthen corruption laws, and nationalize the federal reserve bank? While we're at it, we could cut back on the imperialism and worry more about education and health care. Shoot a few lobbyist traitors on the white house lawn and watch the rest of them get their shit together.
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08 Jun 2019 12:33AM
Mostly because good luck getting any of that passed. On the imperialism we either need to stop or go full scale. This quasi imperialism is just ridiculous. Education needs a total rewrite the system from top to bottom is broken and so is healthcare. I'll say amen to taking the traitors out and shooting them but on the Senate steps.
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24 Sep 2019 11:39AM
In a democracy the people vote on the issues. In a republic the people vote for officials who deal with the issues. We are definitely not a democracy. I believe the term is representative republic or maybe democratically elected representative republic.
